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Gumby |
What is the correct M1 color |
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Posts: 2 (07/23/07 16:15:11) |
Hi, I am new here and I am also new to collecting M1 helmets. I hope someone can help me. I am in the process of restoring a WWII swivel bail helmet with the front seam. So far, I have removed all the old post WWII paint off with a sand blaster (so its down to the bear metal). Now, all I need to do is find the correct paint. What would be the correct color for this helmet; I have tried looking around and can't seem to find the answer; all I get is a Federal Standard color 34087 (Olive Drab), but is that too light? Considering its a swivel bail, what color should I use if i went to a Home depot or Sherwin Williams store? Please help!!!
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Gumby |
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Posts: 2 (07/23/07 16:17:57) |
P.S.
How mush cork should I add? If someone has step by step process with pics...that would be great!!!!! |
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hughiehound |
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Posts: 20 (07/23/07 16:30:20) |
Hi,
Check out: www.jmurrayinc1944.com I know they sell the paint, not sure about the cork. You'll have to ask them. Good luck. Hughie |
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CodeTalker |
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Posts: 81 (07/24/07 08:00:49) |
I saw some spray paint at the surplus store called Marine Corps green, and it looks very dark just like some of the front seam swivel bale helmets of WWII
some people use it to restore old jeep parts |
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Lawdog5311 |
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Posts: 11 (08/09/07 12:09:49) |
Gumby,
Contact me off forum at lawdog5311@hotmail.com. I'll be happy to give you step-by-step instructions on how to do it right the first time. Beware though....this is a very detailed process to retore a helmet correctly, and WILL certainly require a not quite so small financial investment on your part. If your willing to commit, I'd be happy to pass along some pointers. Gary H Underhill Lawdog WW2 Steel Helmets www.lawdogsteelhelmets.com |
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fixed bale helmet forum |
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Posts: 73 (08/19/07 13:50:19) |
Hi Gary,
It seems you came on board during my holiday. Welcome aboard! To all, Gary is a dedicated M-1 helmet fan. He does all kinds of helmet stuff for reenactors. Visit his website. Pete |
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Unregistered(d) |
Grey Color | ||
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Posts: 0 (08/19/07 18:10:30) |
Did the Navy paint helmets a gray color? Thanks.
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Lawdog5311 |
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Posts: 11 (08/21/07 08:09:18) |
Hey guys,
I get a TON of requests every week from people wanting to know the correct color to restore their helmet with. I just want to ask for everybody to be patient just a bit longer. I will hear from my supplier today on the delivery of my new paint. I get all of my paint from a government paint contractor in Washington state. I just sent my rep a 2 by 2 card sample of my original 1943 dated OD paint. I have a few original gallons of this stuff that was made by Socony Oil in 1942-1943 for the US Army. And before anyone asks, the answer is "Yes", its still good after 64 years in the can! I have refinished several helmets using this paint for customers with tremendous success. As soon as my paint arrives, I will be having portions of it placed into aerosol cans and will be offering them for sale on my site. I dont have a cost, yet, and still have to work out the hazmat shipping details, but anticipate these being available for the do-it-yourselfers by years end. What this means is, that currently, I am the ONLY helmet restorer/recreationist out there who can offer the REAL color, right out of a virtual time capsule. This color will make all the others incorrect and obsolete. |
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Posts: 0 (08/22/07 12:54:38) |
Where/how can we get the paint? Thanks.
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beemerguy750 |
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Posts: 5 (12/29/07 18:46:22) |
Everybodys best bet on the proper OD #9 is to support Mr. Underhill at "lawdog". TM9ordnance.com OD#8 is supposed to be close, but I haven't seen it in person. A British company- longolivedrabline.com (I think) sells it- not cheap- and may not be available here in the US. I have looked for this color for some time now, for correct re-paint of restored WW2 vehicles in a museum in Hubbard, Ohio. Here's what I have: Lusterless Olive Drab #9 is the correct color of WW2 US equipment. ANA (army-navy-avaition) colors are not correct. There is no FS595 standard color that matches properly. Gillespie Coatings has two colors billed as correct, but I have my doubts: FS33070 "early" OD- too light and yellow/gray- however, good match for WW2 Ford Motor Co. vehicles, and is almost passable when darkened slightly. "319"- lighter still, matches some WW2 helmet liners (which were a different color than the steel shells). Aervoe coatings: has 2/3 offerings: FS34087 is sold as early war OD. NO WAY! Too yellow brown, almost a khaki. FS24087 is a semi-gloss, altogether different color (which is why 24087/34087 has been eliminated from FS595b) that matches army vehicles from the 1960"s but is too "brown". FS34052 is about a dead ringer on my fixed bale USMC original helmet. HOWEVER--- FS34084 seems a pretty close match in a modern paint (FS24084 from Aervoe, a semi-gloss) for several mint items in the collection, but we can't spring for 50 gallons worth on a hunch- the lusterless 34084 is considered a custom color. Canada's air force uses this color in their camo scheme, so there is still hope there. I darkened up some 33070 from Gillespie to "restore" a well used M1 shell and it doesn't look too bad, but I over-corked a bit I think, but I don't intend to try to sell it. armyjeepparts.com has Gillespie paint. I hope this helps!
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Fox2id |
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Posts: 45 (01/01/08 17:21:41) |
The Marine Corps Green at the surplus stores is horrible. I have bought and tested it, and it was a waist of money.
Untill the anticipated arrival of Mr. Underhill's paint comes, there is an alternative. Testors makes an olive drab paint for models. Any hobby shop carries Testors paint. Their product number 1911 can of olive drab spray paint is a VERY close match to early war shades. If you follow the original process of baking the helmet after painting, ( Or for me, 1hr at 400') it comes out nicely, and next to an un-issued (out of the box) helmet, it looks amazing! Letting it air dry though, will give it a lighter shade. That shade looks more correct for liners. Its cosest to early war paint. Not the darker mid and late war. One can will do two helmets. At about $4 a can its an expensive runt of a can. (1/2 the size of a normal can) I have done two helmets with Testors. One I re-enact with, and it actually darkens a bit from the elements. The paint is made in the U.S. in Rockford, Illinois. So your puting good ol' American paint on it! Not 100% perfect, but a good cheap alternative. Farrell |
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CodeTalker |
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Posts: 81 (01/03/08 12:50:29) |
modeling paints just dont have the durability of real GI type paints
since model paints like TESTORS is designed for looks and doesnt hold up under outdoor weather and use like real GI type paints |
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Fox2id |
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Posts: 45 (01/04/08 13:17:29) |
Its worked great for me! After 2 years it wears and weathers pretty good to!
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